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27 February 2006 @ 03:22 pm
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i am feeling low today. there's something pleasing about the way those words go together, though the sensation itself i could probably do without. is it 'cellar door' that's supposed to be the most beautiful phrase in the english language? i can't remember, but it is a lovely phrase. also, my internets are slow. hi, this post so far is brought to you by free association.

at any rate, i have several things i want to say. first, let's talk about bsg, shall we?

the last episode was a really redeeming episode after the slew of less than awesome episodes we've had since the death of Herr Caine, who i miss more and more as the revolving door of pegasus command goes round and round. i haven't really said anything about bsg since she died, because i've been trapped in an unneccesary flashback - much like the series itself. i don't really know what the hell is going on with the writers addiction to that conceit, but i feel that 1) its getting old and 2) they are doing a crap job of maintaining what's happening when timewise because of it. so, you know. y'all could stop with the flashbacks.

at any rate - they blew my mind again with the whole 'caprica six has a hallucinatory baltar omg' thing, but it makes it almost harder for me to accept hallucinatory six in this weird way. because clearly that six is not the same woman as the woman on caprica is. that's the six that baltar met - with all the same agendas and motivations as the six that baltar met, and none of the redemptive impulses. the contrast between the six that blew up at baltar while questioning her faith and the six who faltered through sharon's apartment trying to overcome her own questions about what the cylons are doing was very marked. the six that demanded baltar procure plutonium is not the same woman who would say that genocide is wrong.

the slew of sixes we've met on bsg seem to all be different. for the purposes of me talking about it: let hallucinatory six= 6v.1, shelley godfrey=6v.2, gina=6v.3, and caprica six=6v.4. Of those, 6v.3 and 6v.4 - this season's creations - are the most human, and i think that ties in with the overarching theme of what it is to be human, and individuality that this season has been toying with. interestingly, this second half of the season has made a really strong effort to make us see the monstrous in the human, while season one had the burden of making us believe in cylons as bad guys.

6v.3 has pretty much been weirdly abandoned by the show, which i kind of resent. i was incredibly excited by her, and baltar's scenes with her in the cain episodes are some of the strongest of the series. i loved seeing her different take on faith, and seeing her question the plan of the cylon god/the cylon propaganda about the cylon god. i loved seeing her breaking down when baltar tried to kiss her. i really don't get what she's doing in the fleet, though i suppose i'm supposed to make some kind of paralell between her mission to make humans seek peace with the cylons and 6v.4's new found mission to try and make the cylons seek peace and coexistence with the humans, but i just haven't seen enough of it to really get that. i question what 6v.3 is doing, and her motivations - is she acting as a cylon to disseminate discontent within the fleet, or is she legitimately trying to end the war? i just don't know, and i'd love to see more. frankly, what i was really hoping would happen with her would be that she would catalyze the destruction of 6v.1's hold on baltar, and that we'd stop having her around, not because i don't love the character, but rather becuase i think it would be an interesting thing to see baltar without that crutch. i want to see him operating on his own head of steam, and while i get that he's an incredibly weak and self serving guy, i'd like to see what he would become with 6v.3 guiding him and his own judgment rather than constantly following the advice of the beautiful cleavagey slutbomb that is 6v.1.

6v.1 has remained a fairly static character throughout. she continues to proslethyze about the cylon god, and his plans, and to use sexual power as a manipulation, and the only times we've seen break throughs with her were last episode after the supposed death of hera (and really, man, that was way fucking harsh - poor helo! and poor sharon, too, but mainly the one i feel for is helo who is being betrayed by his own people and dude, if i was him, and i found out about all of this, i would freak the hell out and fuck shit up left right and center, but he won't because he's helo and his parents taught him to use his words and talk through disagreements until a place of mutual love and respect can be found) and also when they first found the pegasus brig/torture chamber with her duplicate, prone and agonized.

well, maybe that's not fair - maybe she cracked a little when the resurrection ship was destroyed. this is actually the second time she's told baltar he's commited an unforgivable sin that the cylon god will not forget. which makes me wonder if that relationship is going to be on the skids now, and if you can't maintain a relationship with a hallucination who adores you, then the rest of us are doomed. i just want to throw that out there.

the hallucination of baltar, now that i think about it, is as equally different from the actual man as the hallucination of caprica six is from the woman. the faux!baltar is more a male hallucinatory six, with a human agenda - he's self-posessed, he talks about love, he is confident and he is more righteous than baltar has ever been.

food for thought: are we supposed to be assuming that the nuclear explosion created these shades? or is it a love thing? if so, that's really interesting, because these products of love are certainly an strange reflection on the kind of love that these two have. but perhaps not innacurate. carnal, jaded and manipulative -- that's them as we've known them.

okay, so here are a couple of things unrelated to that: 1) anders, wtf? why are you on my show? i resent your existence, and your stupid hair. i hope that sometime you will do something that will interest me, or that you will never be used again. that is all.

2) sharon on galactica: if there was ever a way to turn that woman back into an agent for the cylons, roslin found it, and it worries me for poor helo. it worries me.

3) sharon on caprica: omg how much did i love that the cylons hadn't really provided for the possibility that, uhm, creating a model to be completely human would prove inevitably stupid given the downloading process? the whole thing about 'boxing' her and caprica six was really sinister. i mean, really, really sinister. i don't know how, precisely, these two plan to convince the cylons in thirty six hours that they're right, and was kind of hoping that they'd take off into the hills with anders and help that movement (though don't mistake me: i resent anders existence, no really). but here's a shallow thing: she looked way fucking hot in this episode. i mean, really. way fucking hot.

4) chief and helo and hera's 'funeral': i had known that i had missed chief, but not how much until i saw him there watching the baby's ashes float away with the fictitious space wind. god what a good man he is. what a good man. hackthis, seriously, you can have helo as your baby!daddy if i get chief.

secondly on the agenda i would like to say the following things about sga: i have had a ronon epiphany. that epiphany is that i love ronon, and his smooth, beautiful skin, and his gleaming biceps. in a game of cliff/shag/marry concerning the men of sga, i would definitely marry ronon. and give him beer and cookies. together we would devour meadows filled with oreos. also, i, unlike his team and elizabeth, would listen to his input. i would be the ewok to his wookie. life would be so sweet.
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Tiny Timmy Tokyo: @ - a universe gone quicklyslodwick on February 27th, 2006 08:29 pm (UTC)
mmm cellar door
I'm nowhere near as deep as you about BSG - at least, not in a way I'm willing to attempt to write down, because I blew my meta wad on Grey's Anatomy, of all things - but I do know that my love for Six has never been greater, and I adore the fact that Caprica Six has a Gaius ghost in her machine head. That makes me delightfully happy in ways I can't even express, and I choose to believe it's either to do with their fucked up love. Plus, I think it rules out Gaius being crazy, which again, equals my happiness.

Also, you can marry Ronon and feed him beer and cookies, but... may I occasionally visit and pet his skin?
Tiny Timmy Tokyo: @ - el dorado on the lawnslodwick on February 27th, 2006 08:30 pm (UTC)
Re: mmm cellar door
No "either". All love. *nods*
peeps wanna see peeps boink: helomusesfool on February 27th, 2006 08:47 pm (UTC)
i would be the ewok to his wookie

I may have to steal this and use it as a story title. What story, what fandom, I know not, but yes. A title it should be.

And Helo and Chief would be the best baby!daddies ever. They should have got to raise Hera together.
Tiny Timmy Tokyo: @ - el dorado on the lawnslodwick on February 27th, 2006 08:49 pm (UTC)
they wouldn't let her play little league, though
Helo and Chief would be the best baby!daddies ever.

Oh, GOD.

*encourages*
peeps wanna see peeps boink: helomusesfool on February 27th, 2006 08:51 pm (UTC)
Re: they wouldn't let her play little league, though
Well, she could get hit in the head and end up having McDreamy drilling a hole through her skull. That would be bad.

But yes, someone should write that.

*smiles at Nifra*
Tiny Timmy Tokyoslodwick on February 27th, 2006 08:52 pm (UTC)
Re: they wouldn't let her play little league, though
Yes. SOMEONE. Should write that.

*nods*

*prods Nifra*
pure FORESHADOWING: Bobcatitude!nifra_idril on February 27th, 2006 09:23 pm (UTC)
Re: they wouldn't let her play little league, though
Y'all two are the devil.
peeps wanna see peeps boink: helomusesfool on February 27th, 2006 09:43 pm (UTC)
Re: they wouldn't let her play little league, though
But we're cute!

And Helo wants you to write it...
pure FORESHADOWING: Bad Example! - Snowflakesleepnifra_idril on February 27th, 2006 09:58 pm (UTC)
Re: they wouldn't let her play little league, though
Yeah, between him and Chief they've already got me on page 3, the bastards. I feel like one time I said something like, "I can't write BSG/I never will". Frakkin' Chief and Helo are making a liar of me.
peeps wanna see peeps boink: helomusesfool on February 27th, 2006 10:03 pm (UTC)
Re: they wouldn't let her play little league, though
Woo!

It's a fine, fine thing you're doing. Helo and Chief appreciate it. Not to mention Slod and I. *g*
.: galen (cerri44)hackthis on February 27th, 2006 10:08 pm (UTC)
Re: they wouldn't let her play little league, though
*gasps*

Are you writing Baby!Daddies fic?! Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
pure FORESHADOWING: baltar/six divine - icon_ascenscionnifra_idril on February 27th, 2006 10:14 pm (UTC)
Re: they wouldn't let her play little league, though
I'm trying, but it's really HARD.
.hackthis on February 27th, 2006 10:24 pm (UTC)
Who loves ya, baby?
*pets*

Zen Gardens baby. And remember Galen grew up on Gemenon, same place that Sarah came from. Plus, hey, son of a oracle and a preist. Imagine dinnertime:

Galen: Okay, everyone say grace
Hera: Grace!
Galen: Hera
Helo: I don't think you should force her to do anything she doesn't want to do
Galen: We are not dredging up the psychological argument again, are we?
Helo: Forcing her could scar her irreparable, Tyrol, we wouldn't want that
Hera: Uh oh
Galen & Helo: What?
Hera: You called Daddy by his surname, he's in trouble now.
Galen: *smirk*
Helo: Daddy's not in trouble, sweetie, he and I just need to talk this out.


pure FORESHADOWING: a line allows progress - dog was starnifra_idril on February 27th, 2006 10:39 pm (UTC)
Frakkin' hell. Okay this is the best I've got for right now, y'all. Perhaps more later.
Later, Galen thought it was strange that Dee was the one who told him. He was in the head, rubbing at the grease stains on his hands before going to the mess for lunch, or maybe breakfast, or maybe it was even dinner because he’d lost track of the last time he’d eaten. They were running low on viper parts, and the gimbals on one of the raptors kept fraking going loose on him, no matter what he did. He hadn’t seen his rack in about two days.

The water was pretty warm, he and there was a cold hand on his shoulder, and Dee said, “She’s dead.”

He didn’t have to ask her who she was talking about.

**

The baby was tiny and the plastic incubator she was lying in was boxy, shaped a little like a raptor. Her skin so thin he could see the blunt white bones of her little arms and legs.

“The birth was hard,” Cottle said as Galen stared, “too much blood, too fast. Nothing we could do.”

The doctor was still wearing scrubs that were dried and stiff and stained. Cottle was toying with an unlit cigarette, and Galen opened his mouth to say something else, something like, ‘Where’s her body?’ because even if she wasn’t his Sharon, if she’d never been his Sharon, she’d still been Sharon and he wanted to see her, one last time, please gods let this be the last time, but instead he asked, “What’s her name?”

There was a sniff and clatter from behind him, near the cot that Sharon had – near the cot, where Kara was taking care of Helo, muttering to him real quiet the whole time, and then Helo’s voice answered thickly, “Hera. Sharon wanted to name her Hera.”

The baby let out a thin squeal, and Galen stepped toward it and Hera opened her brown eyes, and looked right at him, and even though she was maybe too small, too young really, Hera looked at him, and she smiled.

Her eyes didn’t look anything like Sharon’s – not his Sharon, not any Sharon – but his throat was suddenly so tight he couldn’t swallow, and he took the two steps to the chair beside the incubator and sat down.

He put his hand against the warm plastic, and he took three deep breaths, one after the other until he could say without letting his voice break, “Hi Hera. I knew your mother.”

**

The Admiral gave Helo Sharon’s ashes in a metal canister on the third day after she died while Galen was sitting next to him beside Hera. He’d been there for hours, and his back hurt from sitting in the same metal chair every day, watching the baby sleep.
The old man didn’t say anything when he held the ashes out, and Helo took them without a sound.

“When the doc’s cleared her,” Adama began, “we can place her with a family that –“

It was almost startling to hear someone talk – Galen had gotten used to the silence, to the shuffling of nurses, the slow beeping of machines, the quiet hitch in Helo’s breathing.

“No,” Helo said, staring at the floor and Galen watched his jaw twitch. “No, thank you, sir.”

Hera was getting stronger, and holding onto Galen’s little finger with a hand that was smaller than his thumb.

“You can’t take care of a baby alone, son,” Adama told him. “You’re a pilot –“

Hera squeezed Galen’s thumb, and he cleared his throat. “He won’t be alone, sir,” he said, and both heads swung around.

Adama opened his mouth to speak again, and Helo stood up, holding what was left of Sharon in one white knuckled hand and saluted with the other. Carefully, Galen eased his hand out of Hera’s grip, out of the incubators, and he stood beside Helo.

“Thank you, sir,” he said, “but we’ll be fine.”

And Galen had always liked Adama, but never more than when Adama just nodded and walked away. He didn’t say anything about the President, or the fleet, just left, and Helo deflated into the chair.

“You don’t have to --,” Helo started.

“Yeah, I do,” Galen told him, and then they were quiet again, just listening to Hera sleep.

**

That afternoon Helo took out his old raptor and put Sharon into the stars, and Galen held Hera for the first time. He cupped her soft head and she turned her face into his hands.

“Lords of Kobol,” he said, “hear my prayer.”


.hackthis on February 27th, 2006 10:44 pm (UTC)
Re: Frakkin' hell. Okay this is the best I've got for right now, y'all. Perhaps more later.
*sobs*
Mayhem Parvaraincitygirl on February 27th, 2006 11:13 pm (UTC)
Re: Frakkin' hell. Okay this is the best I've got for right now, y'all. Perhaps more later.
Sniffle. Need chocolate now.
Sometimes You Get Marshmallows: apolloflorahart on February 28th, 2006 01:10 am (UTC)
Re: Frakkin' hell. Okay this is the best I've got for right now, y'all. Perhaps more later.
Oh! Hi. I don't know you, but I followed a link. This is lovely. Also ouchy.
peeps wanna see peeps boink: helomusesfool on February 28th, 2006 02:03 am (UTC)
Re: Frakkin' hell. Okay this is the best I've got for right now, y'all. Perhaps more later.
*wibble*

Oh, Chief. So much yes, darlin'. So much.
Gunbunny: flying toasterburntcopper on February 28th, 2006 05:06 pm (UTC)
Re: Frakkin' hell. Okay this is the best I've got for right now, y'all. Perhaps more later.
wow. just... wow.
cranberryink: 0: starbuckcranberryink on February 28th, 2006 05:34 pm (UTC)
Re: Frakkin' hell. Okay this is the best I've got for right now, y'all. Perhaps more later.
This is lovely and painful and nrrrgh!

p.s. andtheyhavehotsextheend?
The Proverbial Bull in a China Shop...: regret - by jenahnasabaceanbabe on March 6th, 2006 02:24 pm (UTC)
Re: Frakkin' hell. Okay this is the best I've got for right now, y'all. Perhaps more later.
Ow. Let me second that call for immediate chocolate... :(
cranberryink: 0: starbuckcranberryink on February 27th, 2006 09:38 pm (UTC)
And Helo and Chief would be the best baby!daddies ever. They should have got to raise Hera together.

I was totally thinking that earlier today. They should set up house together and occasionally have really hot sex. Yes.
peeps wanna see peeps boink: helomusesfool on February 27th, 2006 09:43 pm (UTC)
Hee! I don't even need them to have hot sex, though I wouldn't begrudge them it. *g*
.: galen (cerri44)hackthis on February 27th, 2006 08:59 pm (UTC)
4) chief and helo and hera's 'funeral': i had known that i had missed chief, but not how much until i saw him there watching the baby's ashes float away with the fictitious space wind. god what a good man he is. what a good man. hackthis, seriously, you can have helo as your baby!daddy if i get chief.

About six months ago, it occured to me that I had a type: Neville Longbottom, nee George O'Malley, nee Galen Tyrol. Ideally this is my kind of man, but I'd never get Galen, because I'd be all jealous of His One Cylon Love and he'd think I was crazy, and I'd sabotage the whole mess. But yes, Galen has it all: intelligence (ding!ding!ding!), loyalty, looks, and plus, hello, SMART. I like'em smart, I just don't like it when they feel they need to flaunt it. Bragging leaves me cold, so yes, you can have Galen if I can just come over and talk to him a lot. Also, dude, I never quite got the Six love until this week and then I was all, wow, now that's some dysfunctional love right there.
Sage: ronon teethsageness on February 27th, 2006 09:25 pm (UTC)
I am so far behind on BSG that now I'm saving it for a summer marathon.

The point of this comment is to use my new Ronon icon. Look, teeth and menacing hotness! :D

*wins at shallow*

But you totally win at meadows of oreos. *nods*
cranberryink: sga: rononcranberryink on February 27th, 2006 09:39 pm (UTC)
Ronon! Yes. There is not nearly enough Ronon in either canon or fandom. We wants more, precious. *avarice*
Mayhem Parvaraincitygirl on February 27th, 2006 11:09 pm (UTC)
Fascinating thoughts. And BTW, I don't get the logic behind Roslin's decision either. I really don't. And I want Helo and Sharon to get their kid back eventually, damnit. But Maya will be devastated, because she thought she was legitimately adopting an unwanted child, not a kidnap victim. She'll be devastated when Helo and Sharon want their kid back, Hera will be traumatized by all the changes. The potential heartbreak for Maya, who has done nothing to deserve it (one could argue that Helo's loyalty is suspect and thus his wishes don't need to be taken into account, but Maya's never done anything to make Adama & Roslin question her loyalty). And if the Cylons figure out Hera's still alive and who she's with, Maya will end up dead. Since she doesn't know anything, she won't know to take precautions against murder/kidnapping.

Plus, Roslin was acting like they needed to do this to protect the Fleet. If she'd said they needed to do it to protect Hera, then I could kind of get it. I think it would make more sense if they *persuaded* Helo & Sharon to give her up for her own good, gave her to someone who knew she was just a foster mother, and arranged for them to get photos of the child regularly. If RDM & Co. are trying to parallel the Moses in the Bullrushes story, well, Moses's bio mother gave him away to save his life. She was the active agent there.

Tactically it's a mess. This way Sharon is at best no longer a cooperative military asset, and at worst is actively dangerous. Many of the times she's saved the Colonial bacon there's been self-interest involved. Her fetus couldnt' download, so if her body on Galactica was killed, the pregnancy would end. If the baby is with her on Galactica after the birth, that's a continued incentive for her to keep helping the Colonials, because she won't want Hera to die. Now she hates them and has no reason to try and keep the Fleet alive except for Helo and maybe Tyrol. But she might grab Helo and run away at this point.

But yeah, they seemed to be justifying it as the baby was dangerous to the Fleet, rather than the Cylons were dangerous to the baby, or public knowledge of the baby's true heritage was dangerous to her. But if Hera's dangerous, why not keep her under observation in that handy room with the glass walls and all the bars where Sharon lives? If there are Marines outside at all times, nobody can get out, and nobody can get in either. That cell has no hiding places and could easily be wired for sound. If they're worried Sharon will try to raise Hera to hate humans, all they have to do is monitor her, and tell Sharon to knock it off or else if they see/hear her doing that.

If the baby's dangerous in and of herself (which seemed to be the vibe) then why put her among the civvies where she could start cutting down random people by shooting laser beams from her eyes or something? That way people (including the clueless Maya) could end up dead, and the resulting chaos and public confusion could result in the Cylons realizing where the baby is and snatching her. A civilian ship would be way easier to board and subdue than a warship with lots of weaponry on the outside and lots of Marines with guns on the inside. Plus, IF the baby does start exhibiting potentially dangerous behaviours, Maya won't be looking for them, will probably dismiss them because if something weird happens, she'll think, "Well, that's odd, but it couldn't have anything to do with the baby. Why would it?"

And if they're afraid of Hera exhibiting potentially dangerous behaviours, where better to monitor and control such powers than in that handy glass room with the bars? It's not logical. I know Roslin's ruthless, but she's never been dumb before. This decision doesn't stand up to scrutiny as a logical, pragmatic response to a problem.

Very with you on the fact that Gina seems to have been sidelined, despite her fascinating potential storyline. But I do like the individuality of the different copies, and the way individual experience is really fucking up Cylon society. But I'm tired of episodes with plot holes I could drive a truck through. Interesting ideas are cool. But I want them accompanied by logical plot twists that make sense.
Bone: Ronon/John (Got Your Back)thisisbone on February 28th, 2006 12:39 am (UTC)
chief and helo and hera's 'funeral': i had known that i had missed chief, but not how much until i saw him there watching the baby's ashes float away with the fictitious space wind. god what a good man he is. what a good man.

YES. yes. yes. No one else could have fit that moment, and I give both Helo and Chief a lot of credit for recognizing that.

i have had a ronon epiphany. that epiphany is that i love ronon

SQUEAL!!!!! Yay! We need all the Ronon Love we can get! I hope they let him do more in Season 3, because there's much to be mined there, and I want to see ALL of it!