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14 January 2004 @ 06:11 pm
fandom_scruples...or Nifra gets her rant on.  
I'm sure by now you all know what fandom_scruples is, what they're trying to do, and all that nonsense. If not, go here, read it, and then come back and read what I've got to say.

As a general rule? I'm pretty laid back, but this has me pretty goddamned steamed up. You know what I think pissed me off the most? I think it was this offhand phrase: never once said this was a campaign to get people to stop writing this type of fic. It isn't. It's your life and you can spend it writing trash if you want to,

Writing trash -- that's what's got me seeing red. Now, I'd like to ask them, on what basis are they making the decision that what people are writing is trash? What, precisely, rather, is trash for them? I assume that it would be extensive descriptions of explicit sexual situations such as perhaps incest, or underage intercourse, or perhaps BDSM of some kind. So, okay, that's trash. Let's all throw out our copies of Lolita, or Ada or Ardor. Nabakov, you trashy, trashy man.

The offhand statement that any fic including these situations must surely be immoral, and evidence of lax ethical standing makes me so angry I could spit forks into their eyeballs. It makes no allowance for the simple luminosity of prose that some authors use, nor the depth of psychological shading that can go into some of these fics. The *hard work* that people put into writing these stories is simply wasted because, after all, what they're writing is trash. Let's not let them do that, shall we? Instead, hey! I've got a better idea! Let's all write really sappy, obvious, clichéd and sentimental riddled with misspellings, ridiculous syntax, and complete manglings of the English language, just so long as nothing naughty happens, you hear me?

However, those at fandom_scruples graciously concede that it's okay for us to write whatever dirtywrongtrashy things our little perverted hearts desire, and aren't we lucky for that? They're so magnanimous. But, let's keep that under lock and key so that innocent eyes can't be tortured having to read what our sick and twisted imaginations have come up with. I mean, really, let's be honest here, folks: reading NC-17 fic will certainly traumatize and scar the darlings so deeply that they may never recover. And the sole fault will lie with the author of the fic.

Not the parent, who doesn't say "Hey, whatcha readin'?" if their child is so impressionable that the word 'cock' is going to shatter their worldview and send them into hysterics, nor the underage person who decides to keep reading after they find something they consider offensive in a fic. Because is it really so very hard to be like "Hmm...incest. Not my cup of tea. Let me click the back button."? Usually I find that pretty easy. Yeah, let's put the responsibility for this *squarely* and *solely* on the head of the author.

Also, pray tell, which rating system will we be going by, once we decide to lock up all those wild and dirty wrong sex fics? How many times can I use the word cock before I have to lock it, hmm? And, also, will we be follow the MPAA's idea that extreme violence is just plain fine just as long as no one sees a nipple? Because, really, that's clear and logically the right way for things to be.

You know what, while we're locking away those fics that are offensive, let's start rating books. Let's limit the accessibility of books that have sex in them, and subversive ideas, and bad language, too. Lock 'em away. No one wants kids getting their hands on those. It'll give 'em ideas. And Lord knows, no one wants that.
Current Mood: irateirate
Current Music: Mindless Self Indulgence - Thank God
Adoable Frunk: kiss my asslyra_sena on January 14th, 2004 11:14 pm (UTC)
word, mcword, and wordy mcword with a side of well-done word.

Catakacat on January 14th, 2004 11:47 pm (UTC)
Let's limit the accessibility of books

Last I heard, people were actively doing that.
pure FORESHADOWING: Deathnifra_idril on January 14th, 2004 11:58 pm (UTC)
If you're referring to books available at schools, then you're correct, but I believe you've missed my point, which had more to do with the broader world. As in, bookstores and public librares which do not, at last check, require any form of age identification for purchase or borrowing.
Catakacat on January 15th, 2004 12:11 am (UTC)
You're right, I did miss your point. I guess I had kids on the brain. (Is there a cure for that?)
my days and ways... squee and ennui: porn is not the enemysparktastic on January 14th, 2004 11:53 pm (UTC)
Even better!
Let's burn them.
Burn all the fics in a big square, so no one ever gets the idea that they should look at it, cause of course, what else should be done with trash?
Worked kinda really not that well for those oh so clever people,
clearing out all those filthy, perverse subversive books from the Humboldt library.

my days and ways... squee and ennui: loud n queersparktastic on January 14th, 2004 11:54 pm (UTC)
Oh, forgot.

< /sarcasm >
pure FORESHADOWING: cordy snark queen - thefakeheadlinenifra_idril on January 15th, 2004 10:38 pm (UTC)
*snort* Dude, seriously. Let me light my cigarette off the flames of their book burning party.
my days and ways... squee and ennuisparktastic on January 16th, 2004 01:09 am (UTC)
*takes a drag*
CJ Andrecjandre on January 14th, 2004 11:55 pm (UTC)
So well said.

I can only agree whole heartedly.
Jerlugonn on January 15th, 2004 12:00 am (UTC)
I read the fandom_scruples post and started to read the comments and then my brain started to explode. I can't stand these type of people. I definitely agree with you - censorship should occur in the home. It is parental responsibility. Putting up a billboard of Lex blowing Clark outside of an elementary school is bad (well - you know what I mean), since the children cannot avoid it. Describing it online after declaring the adult nature is good (sometimes very, very good).
(Anonymous) on January 15th, 2004 02:01 am (UTC)
Hmmm ...
.... my initial attempts for wanting to leave a comment had been entirely different, but now that I've read this ...

I'm a 20 year old virgin who until last year didn't even know that there was such a thing as bi-sexuality, despite having gay friends. Fanfic did that for me, specifically "Smallville" did that for me, and I don't regret a moment of my education.

I'm Canadian born and raised but brought up by strict, but fair, strongly rooted in Indian culture parents. As a result I've been somewhat sheltered from the world. I'd fit the typical child wanting to rebel. But despite all this, not once did I read material inappropriate for me when I was underage. Because not only would it have been abusing my parents trust in me but it would have been somehow ... disrespectful(?) to the authors. Surprisingly, now that I can read NC-17 stuff I'm often too shy about it, I blush in ways that would have Clark taking a step back. *smirk*

What I'm getting at, or trying to, is please don't let ppl like this get to you too much. Chances are they don't come close to representing the majority, they're just the loudest. :o)

I for one am grateful for your beautiful work and those works like yours, it's great fiction with just enough reality to make it more than "just" a read. Yeah shootings and bald sexy billionares falling in love w/ the superpoweredcutealien farmboy may be cliched but the emotions behind them ... they're what matter. They're what stay w/ us. And really it's helped me see that love, it isn't static or fixed, there isn't a traditional or right way to go about how and why and who you fall in love w/. When it's right it's right and if you're blessed you'll find that one perfect fit. That is what I come away w/ when I read the CLex fic I choose to read.

It isn't trash, what's being said is "trash" being spewed by someone whose probably taking out his/her childs actions on the masses.

And really, at the end of the day, it's only the opinion of those dearest to you that matter.
Also, I think this is probably a case of the bark being worse than the bite. :o)

Oy! This was much longer than I intended for it to be, but I felt like you needed a boost. :o)

Okay on to the reason for my post ...

... You're a very, very, very *evil* girl ... I have an exam today, it's almost 2am, and instead of studying as luck, or in this case the way my luck would have it, I stumbled upon your Lj and thereby your fic "A Deeper Season". Guess what, no studying. You had me hooked from the get get-go, just from your intro. Not even the fic itself. I'm a sucker for college fic, even a bigger sucker for a/u college fics, and an even bigger, bigger sucker for a/u, college fics that actually represent Clark intelligently. B/c he is that, intelligent I mean.

Ah, what can I say about this fic... it's good in so many different ways, on so many different levels that even if I had the words to express how good, they'd evade me.

I mean wow ... I mean W-O-W!

Loved it. It was perfect in every way possible. I'll give you fair warning now, once I'm done exams-that'll be next Wednesday by the way- you're going to probably have to deal w/ virtual puppy dog eyes, and Clark worthy pouts on a weekly if not daily basis. I want more, and I want more now! *BG*

Thanks for sharing chica, you had me laughing, and though it's probably going to hit me once I hit the shower exactly how many more hours I've got left to cram, I won't, can't regret a moment of this read.

Take care; keep safe, healthy, and happy!

Rachel Wilderrachel_wilder on January 15th, 2004 03:38 pm (UTC)
Oh, what to say...because I'm feeling a tinge of BOFQ coming on...yeah, this is most crappy and I get so sick of people having an opinion of what a trashy, no-good sicko I must be...don't read the freakin' fic if is squicks you out and if you have a kid and a computer? Watch them. The computer is a tool, not a babysitter and it's not MY responsibility to censor things for your kid...it's yours.

I'm glad that someone else commented about books. I think that a summary is a helpful tool. I think that if people want to label their fic that's their right, but beyond saying if something is juvenile fiction or adult there aren't a lot of warnings and labels put on books. I love reading a book and finding some twist in it...and I like that in fic as well. I don't like to give away my whole story just so that some gentle flower won't suffer for the ten minutes that he or she is reading my story.

Now, if we could just draw a relationship between me sneaking off to read Flowers in the Attic when I was in grade school and now writing smut...
Lemme know how that works out for youprmalscream on January 20th, 2004 03:32 am (UTC)
I usually don't soap box, but....

You know what would limit children from reading inappropriate material on the internet? Parents not putting a computer with unfettered internet access in their underage child's bedroom and then expecting them to be good little boys and girls just because mommy says so.

It is not my job, nor my responsibility to monitor someone else's children's activities and frankly I don't think I should be forced to do so by turing my site into Fort Knox. The suggestion by that particular group that I should, irritates the holy hell out of me.

In other news...the two stories above? Fabulous, as always. You always inspire me to sigh and think to myself, damn but that woman has talent.