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26 May 2004 @ 10:24 am
A rock block of Bach  
So, as always, being home for any period of time has magically transformed me from the fun-loving college student I (in reality) am to the beleaguered and worried mother of five, two of which are strangely close to being 50 years old. Oh yeah, I'm loving this gig.

Anyway, putting aside my complete and utter discontent with my perpetual status as The Responsible Member of the family despite the 30 year head start my parents really *should* have on me in that category, I've been thinking a lot about Chloe, my darling Chloe, and here's what I've come up with.

She's not Lois Lane. She'll probably be alive next season -- and if so, she will be as *Chloe* and not as LL -- and as a function of her being alive I'm sure there will be some kind of ridiculous explanation about the bomb that (by all rights) should have killed her. I don't see SV getting rid of the character, because she is so incredibly popular, and I'm even less sanguine about the idea that AlMiles would get rid of AM because, really, she's one of the show's biggest assets and has been since episode one.

Also, if Chloe was gone, I have no idea how the *hell* they'd manage to do any exposition without her. I mean, really. Chloe=Exposition Goddess. Without Chloe they'll have everyone stumbling around like "So there's this big green monstery thing that's trying to suck the life out of Lana and...no one knows why. Or how. Or what the hell is going on at all. Clark, should you maybe do something?"

If Chloe were to be dead, perhaps we'd start to see Clark caring more about the Torch and showing more of an interest in all things Investigative, and that would be a good thing to do with the character -- but then again, I'm largely stumped as to what the FUCK Clark's going to be like when next we see him (my guess? He'll have forgotten his earth!life and will come back a wee Jor-El and Jon and Martha will have to do something to bring him back from KryptoAmnesia that will involve a lot of tears and a lot of, "Oh, Clark, we *love* you" that will be met with things like "My name is Kal-El, and love is an emotion for lesser beings").

However, again, this is me doubting that Chloe is dead. That doubt, though, doesn't have me believing in a Chloe-as-Lois-Lane theory. I'll admit from the getgo that I am a *huge* Lois fan from way back, and that the idea of her not being the bad-ass career woman that she is in the comics upsets me. For multiple reasons, not the least of which would be that to detract that aspect of Lois' character would be to change the entirety of the vibe between Lois and Clark. Now, there are a million of you out there thinking, "But they've already changed the Lex/Clark vibe *so much*"...and to you, I say "Because Smallville is a love letter to Lex Luthor."

But my philosophical problems with Chloe-as-Lois are pretty huge, and some of them, I think, would be basis for DC to be all "Step off our lady, ho" to AlMiles. For example, Chloe-as-Lois? Makes it pretty much impossible for Lois to *not* know that Clark is Superman, and also makes it hard for me to buy into the 'Lois digs Superman but ignores Clark Kent romantically' thing, because Chloe's always had the hots for our little Kentboy. Those are two *cornerstones* of the Lois and Clark relationship. I mean, you could pretty much summarize it using those two points.

Again, again, I know: SV is it's own entity, it's already changed so much why wouldn't it change this? Well:

Lois Lane already exists. She's already her own person. She's not a name Chloe's pulling out of a hat -- she's Chloe's *cousin*.

From a practical stand point, this makes it *even harder* for me to buy Chloe-as-Lois, because all right, so she's in the witness protection program. She's picking a new identity. And this identity is..someone she already knows happens to exist? And then using that identity she decides to become a really high profile reporter? Don't you think that a redundant Lois Lane would get noticed, and pretty quickly?

The FBI pretty much isn't in the habit of handing out pre-existing names and lives to people trying to hide from bad guys. Because that would be silly. Just plain silly.

Now, I don't think Chloe's dead...yet. I think she'll die by the end of the series, and maybe investigating her death is what will lead Lois Lane to become more interested in journalism (as Chloe claims she isn't now) and maybe the fact that Lex is somehow involved with her death (which I swear to you he will be) will be what engenders Lois' need to crusade against him publicly for the rest of her life.

How the hell do I think they're going to justify the Chloe not being dead thing? I haven't the slightest idea. By all rights, girlfriend should be deader than a doornail. And hey, maybe they'll surprise me and she will be, but I don't think so. And I have mixed feelings about that because on the one hand CHLOE!!!! OH HOW I LOVE YOU!! and on the other "Don't insult my intelligence AlMiles. That was a huge fireball that just went through the door to the house, the door which Chloe was standing right in front of."

It could be that I'm not giving them enough credit - maybe something neat'll happen to justify everything. Maybe Jor-El will let Clark go back in time or something and fix everything. Maybe he'll even go back far enough to make Lex not know that he knows about the Chamber of Secrets and thereby restore a very uneasy balance to their relationship (which, by the way, I don't see has having been completely Rifted yet -- I think they're going to make up, and their next big fight will be their last one). Maybe he'll even have a gagtastic scene with The Lana at the airport.

Also -- Lana and Lex at the airport? V. Cute. Not Lexana-y, to me, but cute.

So yeah. That's all I have to say about that. For right now. I'm sure I'll have more and more and more speculation in the future. As for right now? That's all I got.
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Hammyangryhamster on May 26th, 2004 07:56 am (UTC)
While ITA agree about the Chloe-isn't-Lois-and-please-let-her-be-plausibly-not-dead aspect, he one thing niggling me about the whole "cousin" thing is the "oh, it's my cousin" line seems to be a way for SV characters to explain away lies. Witness Clark in "Covenant" saying "Kara" was his cousin, and Chloe herself in "Crisis" saying Clark's truck was "her cousin's".

I STILL have not seen S2 (as my DVDs are trapped in my mum's house, and I only started watching with this season), so I don't know where the first definate reference to LL is, but not having heard of her until Chloe mentioned her cousin as a name The Planet could use for her story (which was, again, something she needed to come up with on the fly), I'm wondering if they're trying to tell us something.

They're probably just trying to get us to overanalyze, though.

Either that or it's a great giant continuity error, though.

Hm.... :D
pure FORESHADOWING: angelina sexnifra_idril on May 28th, 2004 07:14 pm (UTC)
*thinks* Hmm....My only problem with your cousin=excuse theory is that when Chloe mentioned Lois Lane (in Whisper, I think) is that it's just so off the cuff -- and it's volunteered. It's not as though she had to offer any explanation for the nom de plume she was choosing, you know? And, additionally, I think that AM said during a con at one point something about LL being Chloe's cousin (though in this series, LL could be practically anyone *laughs, but I think you know who I mean).
Sizequeensizequeen on May 26th, 2004 08:06 am (UTC)
Yeah, this sounds about right
I agree with your logic, although Smallville is often devoid of it. Chloe can't be Lois, because Lois already exists. But I wonder if TPTB might end up doing something as audacious as having Allison Mack play Lois. They do amazing thing these days, even without prosthetics, that can completely make someone over. I can see AM with long dark hair, blue coontacts and a whole new attitude playing Lois Lane. That would satisfy the traditional Lois fans and the Chloe/AM fans.
pure FORESHADOWING: Bobcatitude!nifra_idril on May 28th, 2004 07:16 pm (UTC)
Re: Yeah, this sounds about right
Wow, that's a really interesting possibility that I hadn't considered. I mean, no matter *who* they cast as Lois, there's going to be problems, so that might be an interesting way of circumventing them. Somehow, I doubt it, though. I think AlMiles said somewhere at somepoint that we're not going to see Lois on the screen up until the 5th season or something, but it's possible that I have completely fabricated that. *laughs*
Neuroses on Paradesypher798 on May 26th, 2004 08:11 am (UTC)
I totally see your point.

But on the other hand, in canon, glasses are the ultimate disguise, so I'm thinking the creators aren't giving the characters intelligence points (well, at least not in some things ;)
pure FORESHADOWING: brad sexnifra_idril on May 28th, 2004 07:17 pm (UTC)
*grins* This is totally true -- I sometimes forget that's the caliber of credit given to these characters by the original mythos.
teaphile on May 26th, 2004 08:12 am (UTC)
I also am not on the Chloe=Lois bandwagon, for much the same reasons as you. What I would love to see for Chloe next season is a few early episodes where she's hiding, grieving (because I knew Gabe would die the moment I saw his name in the credits) with Lois taking care of her and eventually helping her get her life back. Thus Chloe can infect Lois with the investigatory bug and prejudice her against Clark.

The only problem I forsee with that scenario is that they'd have to cast Lois. Laura Prepon already has a job. I shudder at who they'd pick.

They'll probably dust off the time-travel cliche anyway. On the season premiere of Smallville: Clark can only save one friend. Will it be Chloe or Lex? Watch the last five minutes to find out!
pure FORESHADOWING: breathlessnifra_idril on May 28th, 2004 07:22 pm (UTC)
*laughs* The idea of them casting Lois is something that makes all of us both shudder and hum with anticipation, I think. I'm interested to see how they manage to keep Chloe alive -- the scenario you detailed is a neat way to dovetail a few things. *ponders*
.: angst (circe_tigana)hackthis on May 26th, 2004 09:16 am (UTC)
Also -- Lana and Lex at the airport? V. Cute. Not Lexana-y, to me, but cute.

I could just stab myself now; it might be less painful in the end, d'you reckon?
pure FORESHADOWING: Cheekynifra_idril on May 28th, 2004 07:24 pm (UTC)
You know, I've got a thing about stabbing. With the knife, and the blood, and the slicing...Maybe defenestration instead?
happyminion on May 26th, 2004 09:18 am (UTC)
Hmm, I don't agree with your Clark speculation because (a) I don't think they're going to wipe his Earth memories this far into the show and (b) I don't think AlMiles would do time travel because of the credibility factor. There was such a stink raised on most of the boards about Kryptonite + Water = Phone Calls From the Future that I doubt they'd have Jor-El send Clark back to undo the damage that was done in the finale. I mean, frankly, I don't think that Jor-El cares what damage was done to the other people in the finale, he only cares about his own son's welfare. I also don't think that any amount of Kryptonian teaching/sermonizing/downloading is going to tell him how to rewind time. He can't fly and the only time he did that in the movies, he had to fly around the earth to turn it back (which is still a wonky assed thing to do, IMO) and only then because he was absolutely overcome with grief over Lois' death. He doesn't love Chloe or Lex like that, at this point.

But! I love the stuff you're putting forth here as why Chloe isn't Lois. I stand by my guys when they say she's *not* Lois and they've said that twice when I have heard them say it with my own two ears. I'm so on the fence about it, because while I *could* accept it if the show decided to go that way, it doesn't mean I *want* it to go that way, you know? I think that both women should be able to hold places of importance in Clark's life and the mythos. And the close brush with death at the end of S3 has me almost willing to hope that Chloe won't die before the series' end. The only thing that still has me worried is that Lois *isn't* into journalism and for her life/career track to alter that significantly, I would think a traumatic event would have to happen that would make her take up a personal crusade/vendetta.

I'm just really curious how they're going to explain Chloe living through that blast. I'm anxious for the production office to get back to work next month so that we can have some things leaked, hopefully. *fingers crossed* We'll see! Anyway, pointing people this way like I did with Chiri's entry. Both sides are interesting to analyze!
pure FORESHADOWING: Chloe/Faithnifra_idril on May 28th, 2004 07:34 pm (UTC)
*laughs* You make really good points about all that Clark speculation I made -- I'm not really married to any of the ideas. They were more or less off the cuff, but I think at some point in the series Clark will (temporarily) lose his memory -- AlMiles love to parallel those two boys, and what's good for Lex is good for Clark (if by good I mean hideously traumatic), so while I agree that probably not in the season opener for next year, I think that there will be a Very Special Episode of Smallville in which the Kents need to coax their Clark back to the fore.

I think that both women should be able to hold places of importance in Clark's life and the mythos This is the point that is most important to me about the whole Chloe-Lois thing (isn't it kind of funny how fic makes you careful how you use your slash key?), because they, yes, they're similar but what they symbolize to Clark is completely different and who they *are* is different, also. Combining them kind of comprimises them as characters in my head, you know? (This may be because I'm a knee-jerk Lois-lover.)

Anyway, I can't even wait to see what happens with Chloe. And Lois. But mainly right now, my brain is all "OHMYGOD CHLOE WHERE ARE YOU YOU CAN'T BE DEAD", so I'm not all the way toward worrying about Lois yet. *laughs*
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pure FORESHADOWING: Chloe!nifra_idril on May 28th, 2004 07:37 pm (UTC)
I want to be able to continue to love her for her own merits.

May I just say: WORDY MCWORD WORD!!

That's exactly the sticking part for me, with both characters.
Aelita: huhaelita on May 26th, 2004 11:01 am (UTC)
The whole idea of Chloe as Lois is silly. It's obvious she changes sex and becomes Jimmi Olsen.
pure FORESHADOWING: broken supermannifra_idril on May 28th, 2004 07:35 pm (UTC)
Dear God, you are so right. I can't believe I didn't see it before.

*falls over laughing*

...I love you. *snugs*
-_-: concernechoskeleton on May 26th, 2004 12:28 pm (UTC)
Thank you for articulating everything I was thinking perfectly. Personally, I don't want Chloe to be dead. Not only would it make me, the viewer, very, very sad but it would negatively impact the show itself. As you said, we need her to provide exposition, and to help Clark investigate various Smallville oddities. And, unlike Pete, she has real, important connections with virtually all of Smallville main characters. Losing her would change the feel of the show too drastically, IMO.

And I'm not really a fan of the Chloe=Lois theory. I think it might make a really excellent fanfic, but it raises too many logistical problems for me. Outside of the ones you mentioned, I find myself wondering if Chloe, after entering the WPP, would ever willing choose to come back to Metropolis, let alone involve herself in such a high-profile job. Isn't that the exact opposite of what people who are in hiding tend to do? Furthermore, if she was only hiding from Lionel, why would she keep up the facade after his death? The whole thing just doesn't make sense to me.
pure FORESHADOWING: charisma!nifra_idril on May 28th, 2004 07:42 pm (UTC)
Losing her would change the feel of the show too drastically, IMO

Oh, you're exactly right -- which is why I don't think she's dead, but I don't quite know how they're going to justify her living to us, either. I'll be happy to see her back, but I worry about how it'll be done.
Teriphilexos on May 26th, 2004 05:05 pm (UTC)
third time's the charm
You’re totally not harshing my vibe, cause I don’t have much invested in it. Just enough to say that Chloe Sullivan is definitely Lois Lane’s past, at least in the Smallville universe. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think Chloe will come back as ‘Lois Lane’ in any season of Smallville, but that she will eventually, as a professional print journalist, take the name: Lois Lane.

I do admire your reasons for disbelief; they just have too many holes through which to crawl, even without benefit of plot twists beyond belief (ptbb).

That was a huge fireball that just went through the door to the house, the door which Chloe was standing right in front of."

Well, sure, but then they cut away to long, and we only saw the house going up in a truly amazing conflagration. Overkill, anyone? Fun fact about explosions: there is always a shockwave prior to the sound, heat, flying debris, etc. It’s not hard to imagine Chloe being blown out the door and away from the house. Not a pretty fate, but potentially not toast as poor Gabe surely is.

And, “if Chloe knows who Superman is, why doesn’t Lois?”

Well, how do we know that Lois doesn’t? Maybe she just pretended she didn’t know just as Chloe pretends she doesn’t know what she knows (whatever that is). People in Smallville are wacked in the head when it comes to honesty.

Plus there’s some dialogue (beyond the blatant: “use this name” stuff ) that foreshadows the fact that the nom de guerre Chloe will use as a journalist will be Lois Lane. Oh, shit! It’s the letter from ‘Fever’ especially the closing line (“…someday you’ll fly back to me.” FLY. Come on. CS=LL. Absolutely.) And a couple of other things which refuse to come to me, plus a dream I had. Heh.

"Lois Lane already exists."

Okay. What do we know about Smallville's Lois Lane? Is she a journalism student at Central Kansas University? Is she already a reporter with the Daily Planet? The only thing we know for sure about Smallville's Lois Lane, is that Chloe identifies her as a cousin.

"she can't use the same name as someone else?"

I don't think being given a name on a birth certificate gives you exclusivity to it. How many folks might have your exact same name? Or, on a more visible level; how many George Bush’s do you think there are in the world? One would hope only one. But hey. Destiny is against us on that one. Kismet aside, what if Chloe’s Cousin Lois is a mere infant, or 75? Regardless of either of those arguments, unless I was a journalist myself, I seriously doubt I’d know the names of any prominent print journalists. Chances are slim to none that Chloe’s cousin Lois Lane would ever learn about it, unless Chloe goes around identifying as ‘Lois Lane’ with her family, which, again, doubtful.

I’m thinking S4 will return in consideration of the 3 months that have passed. Clark will still be missing (ala S3? Gak). Mom and Dad will be morose but maybe kept busy by hiding and taking care of Chloe (will we get another fake funeral, mirroring 301?), Lex’s mutant self will have successfully fought off the poison (needing no rescuing by Clark, again) but be ‘reborn’—who wouldn’t after their own father tried to have them killed. And Clark will also be reborn, spit out of the negative zone (where time has no meaning) all sweaty and naked. *loses train of thought*

What I’m really interested to learn in S4 is where Chloe will live. With her mother gone and Dad toast and her still a minor (at least at the first half or two-thirds of the season). Where will she live? With the Kents? With Clark, in the loft? Will her mother pop up? Will Lex adopt her *snerk* Call me an anti-climaticist, but I think the whole trip out and ‘rebirth’ is really only about how they need Clark a bit hotter (for the target audience), and to compensate for the fact that TW is aging and it’s getting tougher for him to pass for a teenager.

Christ, this is long. Apologies. The fact that I can't get it right the first time may explain why I don't talk much. *g*
pure FORESHADOWING: breathlessnifra_idril on May 28th, 2004 07:47 pm (UTC)
Re: third time's the charm
*grins* Whoa, well, you raise a lot of interesting about Chloe being Lois Lane's past. While I agree that Chloe can be read as a proto-Lois, in a lot of ways, I'm still not buying it. Chloe's got potential to be Lois, but I think that potential will never be realized -- and that's going to be part of what shapes Clark into the man we know from the comics and shapes his partner, as well. *laughs* But! You do poke a lot of interesting holes into my theories, in particular regarding the explosion. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens!